tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post4905875290344928158..comments2023-10-05T21:35:05.830+11:00Comments on New Right Australia/New Zealand: New Righthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11136146615921056652noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-25145127067872769882008-01-12T21:15:00.000+11:002008-01-12T21:15:00.000+11:00Firstly, just want to say that this was really wel...Firstly, just want to say that this was really well written and gave a good feel for a side of this that I wouldn't normally be exposed to. <BR/><BR/>Now, I'm an anarchist, but I don't subscribe to all the NA/NR ideas, but I wanted to give some thoughts on what was written in this post.<BR/><BR/>"Obviously, the police, at this point, believed we were violent anarchist demonstrators."<BR/><BR/>Now, my first point is that you guys showed a lot of naivety here. The Black Bloc is a tactic specifically employed by anarchists who wish to act in less than legal ways on large demos. To take on the look of the Black Bloc, whether for identity security or intimidatory reasons is to invite unnecessary interest from the law. There are other ways of keeping one's identity hidden without going down the BB route. I'd suggest taking a more carnivalesque approach and see what kind of masks you could get from costume shops. Something not too silly but does the job.<BR/><BR/>"But, for this demonstration, we enforced a strict 'no comment' policy. That is, we were told to say 'No comment' to all questions; and, if the media persisted, we would tell them that all the answers could be found at the New Right websites and pass them a brochure."<BR/><BR/>Excellent policy. The media mediates. That is they will always take your message and manipulate it how they want. Give them little if anything, certainly nothing that can be easily edited (soundbites etc).<BR/><BR/>"It dawned on me that the communist groups had assumed ownership of the entire anti-APEC/anti-Bush demonstration: they were, in effect, masters of the ‘Stop Bush’ coalition."<BR/><BR/>This has happened on a global level with international socialist groups taking credit for the entire anti-globalisation movement. In the UK, the SWP claim that it was their actions at Seattle that started it all (ignoring of course the anarchist organised J18 demos in London that were a year or two before).<BR/><BR/>"We were in even more trouble now. Orders had come down from the line from our demo co-ordinators, passed from man to man along the chain of men manning the banners, that at the first sign of trouble, we were to abort the mission – no exceptions. We were not there to start any trouble and the co-ordinators' first priority was the safety of our group."<BR/><BR/>While for accuracy of reporting this was interesting, you've made a mistake here. You've just sent out the message to the leftists that if enough of them start assaulting your march you will fold. That's a red-rag to a bull for these people. There is the possibility that some of the leftists are correct and that this is just the information designed to act as an agent provocateur but I'll take it on face value. I'd recommend getting some reliable stewards for your next outing.<BR/><BR/>"Astonishingly, there were no other large groups of ‘organised’ anarchists, no Black Bloc, except for us. Mutiny and AC/DC were a no-show."<BR/><BR/>As someone else said, there were plenty of anarchists there. The author doesn't seem to understand the Black Bloc tactic but I explained that in my first point.<BR/><BR/>"One of our number responded to this with the chant: ‘Nazis out! Nazis out! Nazis out!’, pointing at them. Then all of us joined in."<BR/><BR/>This was hilarious. I wish I was a fly on the...er...banner for that.<BR/><BR/>"A crazy but entirely benign old Greek man, waving two flags – one Australian, one Greek – bounded over, and began screaming gibberish."<BR/><BR/>Believe me, you can't call it a proper march if something like this doesn't happen. Congratulations! ;)<BR/><BR/>"The senior officer had told us that he had received intelligence that the communists, ahead in the march, were arranging an ambush for us."<BR/><BR/>Again, if you weren't expecting this then you are all very politically naive. Any deviation from ideological purity must be purged and it's not fascism when they do it.<BR/><BR/>Now, in terms of the condemnation you have received here, most of it has just been pathetic. Is this the best the Left can come up with? You're wearing clean clothes so you must be cops? Anarchists clearly aren't allowed jobs. You had co-ordinators so you must be hierarchical? This is ridiculous. If I'm working in an affinity group and I injure myself I will defer to the person with the best first aid skills. Also, as long as everyone agree with each persons role in a given affinity group, the passing down of "orders" (poor choice of word) can still be anarchist in nature.<BR/><BR/>I think the conclusion of this piece, greater connection with "traditional" right-wing groups, would be a mistake. This would only increase the suspicion of your "true motives" and increase the amount of flak you will receive from the Left. More engagement with progressive left and post-left anarchists might serve your cause better but that's just an opinion from an outsider. As far as I know you could just be the same old racists in sheep's clothing, in which case you wouldn't want to connect with such communities. You need to think more tactically however. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, like I said at the start, I'm not an NA supporter. I'm just a different flavour of anarchist who thinks you have the right to your own political position. While authoritarian governments are ruling the planet we have much bigger fish to fry than some people who want to go off and set up their own separatist communities. Hopefully what I've said might be of interest. <BR/><BR/>Either way, stay safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-77597015141954566582007-10-21T12:32:00.000+10:002007-10-21T12:32:00.000+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.NudeWhiteAusNZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17795138281118162023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-135125390802205472007-10-21T08:24:00.000+10:002007-10-21T08:24:00.000+10:00I am a nationalist(not the neonazi skinhead type m...I am a nationalist(not the neonazi skinhead type mind you) from Sweden. Though I dont share all of your nationalanarchist ideology, I just got to say that you guys really have balls. You are a real inspiration with your courage and it makes me proud of being an nationalist and identitarian and knowligment of that the fight is the same for all kindred of the North and Europe. Here in Sweden there is no real New Right movement and few autonome nationalists and it not very popular here. The whole scene is dominated by bonehead Third Reich - fanatics who never read Mein kampf in their lives. I am glad that there is idealist and intellectual nationalists out there taking up the fight and do not fear action.<BR/><BR/>Regards from a Nationaldemocrat from Svea Rike.<BR/><BR/>Long live the New Right Australia!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-55590163702320092552007-10-09T05:59:00.000+10:002007-10-09T05:59:00.000+10:00Hi guys, what are your views on Animal Rights and ...Hi guys, what are your views on Animal Rights and Deep Ecology? These movements have almost competely fractured from the Left in recent years...and not just groups like PETA and ALF(who both have been acused of 'racism' by the humanist left). As an AR activist i'm interested to hear your views on flora and fauna(and Linkola maybe?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-90972948566492734562007-09-27T00:47:00.000+10:002007-09-27T00:47:00.000+10:00Good to see that some people still believe in free...Good to see that some people still believe in freedom of speech for all.Flávio Gonçalveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907240634248200928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-27660610217050570012007-09-26T23:49:00.000+10:002007-09-26T23:49:00.000+10:00I hope National Anarchy doesn't splinter like thes...I hope National Anarchy doesn't splinter like these socialist groups!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-82826803090389879262007-09-24T22:49:00.000+10:002007-09-24T22:49:00.000+10:00I am a member of Resistance Socialist Youth, NOT s...I am a member of Resistance Socialist Youth, NOT socialist alternative, though i speak only for myself.<BR/><BR/>I would like to clarify that we WERE NOT the ones abusing anarchists or far-right supporters, you have as much right to an opinion as we do and we respect that.<BR/><BR/>In SOME ways we fight for the same thing - this was demonstrated at APEC. <BR/><BR/>Good on you not getting violent in the face of Socialist Alternative (NOT socialist alliance OR resistance!) and police provokation.<BR/><BR/>CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-55263040308669873482007-09-22T15:16:00.000+10:002007-09-22T15:16:00.000+10:00Thats a great action! Great banners and rally, th...Thats a great action! Great banners and rally, thats the way to stand tall in the face of tyranny. Rock on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-30877637338715083852007-09-22T12:25:00.000+10:002007-09-22T12:25:00.000+10:00Actions will always speak louder than words. This ...Actions will always speak louder than words. This was clearly demonstrated by your group and those who critise you. Real men stand up for women, others send them in to spit and taunt for them. Well done to all who were present at Apec in Spetember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-79368982580210581082007-09-17T09:32:00.000+10:002007-09-17T09:32:00.000+10:00You've got some mates over at http://groups.yahoo....You've got some mates over at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo/ but also a few anarchists who doubt you have anything in common with themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-22687378781348341202007-09-17T08:34:00.000+10:002007-09-17T08:34:00.000+10:00Hey, i was at APEC, and i thought you guys were po...Hey, i was at APEC, and i thought you guys were police provocatuers. I have in the past been associated with both the socialist alterative and alliance, both of who's company i did not enjoy. I read most of the article, but am not entirely sure why you were there. ALso, the red block is alternative, not alliance, and they do bad mouth anyone that is not them, even the other socialists, which is why i am disolusioned with them.<BR/>I don't agree with your nationalist stance, but i do believe that everyone deserves a voice. Well done for not getting violent.<BR/>I wouldn't mind reading some more of your stuff, not because i want to join, just to see what you guys are actually about.<BR/>And one very important question..What did you think of the coppers there? I felt they were deliberatly repressing the crowd, and trying to start some violence to make the protest look bad. I'm assuming you didn't see what happened in Hyde Park at the conclusion of the rally? It was fucking disgusting.<BR/>Anyway, good on you for not starting any violence, and i wish you all the best in your beliefs, even though i think 'left' views are better, cheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-10124836204889197492007-09-16T11:12:00.000+10:002007-09-16T11:12:00.000+10:00this article was clearly written by a man. I don't...<I>this article was clearly written by a man. </I><BR/><BR/>I don't even know who wrote this article. I don't even know if Peter Middleton is a nom de plume, someone I haven't met, or someone I've met who introduced themselves to me under a false name. We're a decentralised movement.<BR/><BR/>I actually suspect one of the women wrote this article and adopted a male non de plume and a male writing style. But I may be proved wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>you write of women as dainty frail creatures who need their men to look after them, and suggest the women were only there on the day to replace men who werent 'man enough' to come down themselves. it bemuses me that you cant see this.</I><BR/><BR/>That might be your perception. I don't feel this way. I believe every woman has full ownership of her own life and destiny, and is fully capable of managing these functions independently of anyone, male or otherwise. This is the typical view of everyone I've met in this particular group.<BR/><BR/>I think the fact that you cling to equality of the sexes argument as the main reason that something has to be wrong with National Anarchism is more reflective on you than on anyone in this group.<BR/><BR/><I>regarding 'masters', you you seem to unashamedly admit to having a heirarchical structure similar to that of the police. yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. this is not in the least anarchistic; in fact it is not dissimilar to capitalist power structures................nor am i anti-coordination</I><BR/><BR/>It's very interesting you are not anti-coordination but you don't want anyone to do the coordinating. I don't really see how that works in practice. Maybe that's why you guys haven't really achieved much.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who was involved in our APEC demonstration who felt they were part of a hierarchal structure that compromised their goals was free to leave at any time. Amazingly, no one felt this need.<BR/><BR/>This would indicate to me that everyone who was there felt the coordinating structure was completely in line with their desire to devolve power to the lowest level. I don't see how this compromises the anarchist component of National Anarchism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-12216810418108217732007-09-16T10:52:00.000+10:002007-09-16T10:52:00.000+10:00Well done on the day and one can only hope that nu...Well done on the day and one can only hope that numbers will grow. I am interstate and it wasnt possible for me to attend however it may become a possibility for my involvement some time in the future. The reds ha, the only ones you need to worry about are as you said the lunatic asylum type. They arent hard men but just village idiots that have no understanding of what they are ranting on about. So once again hats off to you on a great effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-31563855084200835162007-09-16T09:43:00.000+10:002007-09-16T09:43:00.000+10:00Much respect to New Right Australia for actually d...Much respect to New Right Australia for actually doing something rather than hiding behind a computer. Don't let the Red-Fascists get you down!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-88328412655864040892007-09-15T21:00:00.000+10:002007-09-15T21:00:00.000+10:00the women in your group sexist? no i am not saying...the women in your group sexist? no i am not saying that at all, and you know that. this article was clearly written by a man. <BR/>"we were desperately short of men at the demo<BR/>"their place at the barricades – and our banners were a barricade – had been taken by some women<BR/>"These women found it hard going, more hard going than the males who were there, and should not have been at the front line<BR/>"they knew that all of the men in the group would defend them<BR/>" such conduct is unacceptable in any form of life – so is shouting, spitting, threatening, especially so to women<BR/><BR/>you write of women as dainty frail creatures who need their men to look after them, and suggest the women were only there on the day to replace men who werent 'man enough' to come down themselves. it bemuses me that you cant see this. read over what is written on the website and and try to locate the false assumptions and prejudices..ive made a humble shortlist above...<BR/><BR/>regarding 'masters', you you seem to unashamedly admit to having a heirarchical structure similar to that of the police. yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. this is not in the least anarchistic; in fact it is not dissimilar to capitalist power structures. i am not a nihilist, nor am i anti-coordination. if a person takes a hockey stick into a football game they are not merely playing bad football, they are in fact not playing football at all. similarly if a group of people have an authoritarian decision making structure, they are not 'bad' anarchists, or a different kind of anarchist; they are simply not anarchists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-2815936431722121902007-09-15T18:12:00.000+10:002007-09-15T18:12:00.000+10:00and you call yourself anarchist, yet you had maste...<I>and you call yourself anarchist, yet you had masters in your ranks telling you what to do</I><BR/><BR/>National Anarchism simply holds to the anarchist goal of power being devolved to the lowest level, so that people are empowered in their own lives and their own communities. We're not nihilists like the extreme side of anarchist movement; we still believe in right and wrong. If it serves our purpose we also believe in having a coordinated approach to our activities......which believe it or not may actually involve someone being apppointed as a coordinator! I guess that's what someone with your level of morality calls a 'master'!<BR/><BR/><I>and you express extremely sexist views also; any serious anarchist recognises the important role women can play in the struggle.</I><BR/><BR/>There were women in our group at APEC. Are you saying those women are sexist?<BR/><BR/><I>my first reaction was to ignore this group as nonsensicle idiocy, but then i decided it was probably better to combat your racist propaganda with logical, rational and humanistic argument. good riddance</I><BR/><BR/>What argument? As far as I can see you are yet to put forward any argument, let alone a <I>'logical, rational'</I> one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-8861959199619212782007-09-15T16:56:00.000+10:002007-09-15T16:56:00.000+10:00HAAHAHAHA... anarchists who have a 'demo coordinat...HAAHAHAHA... anarchists who have a 'demo coordinator' who they take orders from...hahaha.... yeah you're real anarchists!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-66982161632245840232007-09-15T16:46:00.000+10:002007-09-15T16:46:00.000+10:00Hahaha, wow, you actually think anarchists always ...Hahaha, wow, you actually think anarchists always dress as a 'black block' at rallies? there were at least 150 people that i know who were at APEC, who identify as anarchists (real ones). and yes AC/DC was there as well. you have no hope of taking on socialist or anarchists if you can only pull together over 100 people across australia, i know over 100 anarchists in my state!... not everyone who confronted you were 'commies'. one last thing, drop the racist views and join the real anarchists or shave your heads and start listening to oi! you will never last!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-11193571048764261962007-09-15T15:48:00.000+10:002007-09-15T15:48:00.000+10:00tis incredible the way you act so surprised when c...tis incredible the way you act so surprised when called neo-nazis..ha, need i say more? i read your pamphlet and the views expressed there are pretty much plain racist. and you call yourself anarchist, yet you had masters in your ranks telling you what to do, how to dress, how to act; contradictory to anarchism. and before eaach 'point' you make about something at the rally you include a detailed explanation of how ugly all the left-wing people there were...but i suppose you need something to fill the gap left by the lack of a real argument. and you express extremely sexist views also; any serious anarchist recognises the important role women can play in the struggle. and what bravado; you are so tough and brave arent you? my first reaction was to ignore this group as nonsensicle idiocy, but then i decided it was probably better to combat your racist propaganda with logical, rational and humanistic argument. good riddance<BR/>p.s. comment moderation? ah,thats why you have so little comments... you got rid of all the critical ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-16175379529721544342007-09-14T22:03:00.000+10:002007-09-14T22:03:00.000+10:00Yeah, you've got us. We're really all a special te...Yeah, you've got us. We're really all a special team of cops put together by John Howard himself to usurp the hard left, as part of a secret right-wing conspiracy to stop Socialist Alternative becoming the next government of Australia.<BR/><BR/>You guys are so on the ball. We'd never get anything past you.<BR/><BR/>Also, if you blow up the photos big enough you'll see the guy driving the water cannon truck is actually Elvis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-26199366809372168912007-09-14T20:18:00.000+10:002007-09-14T20:18:00.000+10:00you did well....except that you let slip police ja...you did well....except that you let slip police jargon and vocabulary on occasion and generally showed an infantile understanding of political terminologies typically of a copper promoted above his capabilities....see-thru and amusing but ultimately an embarrassing failed attepmt at a covert operation to act as agent provocateurs....keep trying hard lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-64635160582653326452007-09-14T17:03:00.000+10:002007-09-14T17:03:00.000+10:00excellent reportNationalist greetings from New Zea...excellent report<BR/>Nationalist greetings from New Zealand<BR/>Mrs S BrookerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-39697411126252612862007-09-14T10:21:00.000+10:002007-09-14T10:21:00.000+10:00Great job you guys, all the best from your comrade...Great job you guys, all the best from your comrades "up topper" here in Portugal.<BR/><BR/>www.resistente.orgFlávio Gonçalveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04907240634248200928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-91069923859612015892007-09-13T18:31:00.000+10:002007-09-13T18:31:00.000+10:00Awesome article.Major respect to all New Righters ...Awesome article.<BR/><BR/>Major respect to all New Righters and those on the 'other side' who didn't attempt to disrupt the protest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18776058.post-74451273897615567262007-09-13T15:23:00.000+10:002007-09-13T15:23:00.000+10:00Good job guys. I was offerred to come just over a ...Good job guys. I was offerred to come just over a day earlier but couldn't organise it quickly enough to get there.<BR/><BR/>As you said, about the different factions of Nationalism traditionally having problems and not joining together, is a big problem. I think, though, once the numbers grow and grow it would be very disappointing if the New Right and Coalition forces became as arrogant, cocky, forceful and as violent as the Communists that dominant the political arena.<BR/><BR/>For the ultimate success of the New Right and Nationalism, I think "accessibility" is the ultimate key.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com